Watch it. Even the smallest scrap of hesitation you may have had about doing what we have to do will be quite permanently removed.

watch it! it will show that what the iraqis do is absolutly sickening! they chuck psychos when clips of troops are 'raping' iraqis when they have been doing it for years al-quada related or hamas related or saddam husseins followers or not just regular people have bein doing it for years! they can kill they can murder but we will prevail!

I downloaded it twice, and winzip won't open the file. Corrupted?

I'm trying to host the thing myself, and get other bloggers to do the same. Kindly link and copy my call to action, at your discretion.

Tried to download file (No Go) ?

I wait the day I'm allowed to go to Iraq with my sledgehammer and beat the faces in of every single one of those fucking american/jew-hating iraqis. May all those who preach and act against peace, die and rot in HELL.

Dowloaded file butr it won't open ?

unfortunatley a liberal friend HAS watched the video and her comment was " well he knew the risk". When Imentioend that Nick Berg was an innocent civilian there to help with communications system...her response was" was he really there to help or to make money?" Now what sort of thought would you gather from that mindless question??

Some people think they're the only one who has the right to know and see what's going on...If you can take it, watch it and realize how cruel this world is...God bless us all.

Since hearing about the Berg killing I have been sick to my stomach. Those BASTARDS!!. I am downloading the video as I write this, not out of a sick need to see a good man die but to really allow this crap to strike home for others. If we had not seen the imagage of the twintowers come down it still would not have seemed real. There are some in my house hold who would rather watch American Idol than really know what is going on in this world. Maybe if they are forced to watch it they will be able once again start to feel the bile rise in thier throats and appreciate and more fully understand the reasons why we have to stay in Iraq. Damnit!!!!

I think the bug with the file may be, you uploaded it to your site in FTP ASCII mode?

Needs to be binary, if this is the case.

I downloaded it last night and was able to watch it. I tried to open it again this morning and I am being told that the site has either been moved or removed all together. I can tell you, if you haven't already seen it, you won't forget it ever after you have seen it. I wasn't able to sleep very well at all.

why is the killing necessary to achieve peace? what example did killing nick set? he was trying to help those bastards start a new life with stuff other than fertilizer!

why is the killing necessary to achieve peace? what example did killing nick set? he was trying to help those bastards start a new life with stuff other than fertilizer!

why is the killing necessary to achieve peace? what example did killing nick set? he was trying to help those bastards start a new life with stuff other than the fertilizer that he got turned into!

i dont condone the violence, but if you ignore the"method", which all find horrific should we not reflect that over 50 iraqis have died in detention under u.s "supervision" and a further 40 under british. ALL these people were on remand ie not convicted of anything. therefore, to put things in very basic terms the "score" is 90-1. try reversing the situation and imagine the deaths of 90 allied detainees!!!! would we not be driven to respond?? again...i stress i dont condone anything that has been done, but people MUST be rational. it is absolutly no suprise that a group has responded like this.......sickening, but absolutely no suprise. the people in detention were, under american and british law "innocent until proven guilty" - but were simply killed with no recourse and noone brought to book. i tell you now, that if my son/daughter had been dragged into that prison and "died" in mysterious circumstances, by revenge would also appear horrific........
please try and be even handed.

Yes, let all the moonbats watch the video. After all it is what they want, to kill the "occupiers" and help the "resistance."

Funny, the pro-war crowd does demand that the soldiers who kill and torture prisoners be brought to justice, while the anit-war (mostly leftish) crowd says, yet again "yes, but. . ."

david

how many americans have died as a result of terriost that we are over there fighting against. The POW over there are fighting a war this guy was over there to help them #!*?%!$. DEC 7th 1941 was a horrible day which brought us into war I am sure there were a few americans killed during that attack, but we are americans and we fight back, oh how nice it would be for you tree huggers to just turn the other check. you can only be kicked in the balls so many times and you will fight. please let me know how many time you need to be kicked before you do something. sep 11th I think a few ameriocans died on that day also what did they do wrong they were only go to work. So what is the score I hope we are a head because unlike you I hate losing and as an american I dont want to lose.

I saw the video. It's horrific, and enraging, and America in general should see it, so we can keep our focus on what needs to be done, not letting ourselves get sidetracked by the idiotarians who want to do exactly that.

Most of you are really naive, that guy was in Irak to make a whole lot of money, he couldn't care less about helping them, he was part of that army of corporates representative who are not far behind te US army, their weapons are buisness deals the irakies have no other choice than to accept, those deals bleeds them of THEIR oil, land or any other ressources (and usually for a very long term...), actually it makes more sense to kill those vultures than to kill US soldiers who (most of them but they don't tell that on CNN) don't want to be there anyway...

Wake up america...

We need to take extreme measures over there. It worked in Japan. Two small nuclear warheads detonated in two cities in IRAQ. If they don't cooperate, two more, and so forth. If Iran or Syria open their mouths, Tehran or Damascus get glazed over. Eventually, they'll play nice. They said the Japan bombings saved lives in the long run. Who knows how many more innocent people will be killed in the next 10 years if the middle east continues to roil, and the the fighting in IRAQ and terroroism continue. Who cares what the rest of the world thinks. Add Paris to the list.

Ho, and I forgot to mention that most of those corporations have buisness links with the Bush and Cheney families and their buisness partners... So one can safely assume that Bush and Co. are using the US army at their own profit and that the war in Irak has nothing to do with 9-11 or liberty...

But the whole world knows that... except maybe the americans...

My deepest condolans to nick bergs family
The most of the swedish people hope you dont give up the war against irak and bin laden.
We hope you can create a better democratic world without these kind of leaders.

KEEP FHIGTING AGAINST TERROR (The world will thank you later)

Yeah, we shouldn't let contractors help rebuild - or just build - Iraq into a functioning modern economy, because they might make money. We should just send more soldiers and destroy what they do have and kill them all. Sounds logical to me. Where are these lefties from, Russia? That's how the Red Army works. Oh, that's right, they "have seen the future" in the Soviet Union. That really worked.

Jeez, the moonbats are out today . . .

"unfortunatley a liberal friend HAS watched the video and her comment was 'well he knew the risk'. "

I've heard similar excuses for rape. "Well, she should have known not to go jogging after dark." Would your liberal friend think similiarly about an abortion provider who is shot? They know the risk too. We call that "blaming the victim," and it's not an acceptable argument under any of these circumstances.

"therefore, to put things in very basic terms the "score" is 90-1."

David, (1) You don't know how Iraqis have died while in detention. So we must assume they were all executed? (2) Do you understand the difference between civilians and combatants? (3) Do you think Nick Berg is the only civilian killed by Iraqis, by Al Qaeda and its sympathizers?

90-1 is just not reality.

richard wrote "Wake up america..."

A long time ago (wow, ten years...) I used to work for the Howard Stern Show. A regular guest at the time was Klu Klux Klan second-in-command Daniel Carver. His signature line?

"Wake up white people."

Whenever someone uses the "wake up ___" line, all I hear in my head is Daniel Carver and his utterly disgusting racism. The man was thoughtless and stupid.

You may draw your own inferences as to my feelings about richard. :)

Richard, please don't beat around the Bush. It's Halliburton, right? The secretly Jewish Rockefellers? The Illuminati? Tell us the truth.

denise/arnie.
i sympathise with your arguments to a degree, but i believe you are looking at things in sort of isolation or perhaps from a purely american perpective. everyone has sympathy for people who died on 9/11..i had friends who worked for cantors who died. be that as it may, to listen to the average american you would be led to believe that terrorism was born on that day! American outrage at the attrocity was fully justified, but there seems to be very few questions asked as to "why did this happen". i live in london, and for 25 years of my life suffered a continual bombing campaign from the ira, which was funded primarily by noraid [irish-americans], and publicily supported by your kennedy clan and others. my uncle died when a huge nail bomb exploded outside the hyde park barracks. i, technically have reasons to think ill of americans - but i dont because i believe myself to be educated and rational.
i can now see both sides of the argument...but i didnt at the time. imagine the plight of the average palastinian, who since birth has lived in an effective concentration camp. we english imposed excile on the palastinians in 1948 to relieve our battered conciences after neglecting the jews during the nazi era. these people have had to live with our poor decision. i dont blame them for reacting against what is most definitely an occupying power.....
i ask you - if another country invaded the u.s, how long would it take before you would just accept it and get on with your life? 10 years, 50 years, never.......i suspect never [judging from your previous WE DONT LIKE TO LOSE rhetoric".
remember that since the intifada, 3000 palastinians have been killed vs 900 islraelis. ignore the method used in the killing - whats the difference?
SO, even if you personally dont appreciate their plight, there are some in the world who purport to care [maybe pretence but who knows], and see the $6BIO the us govt pays the isreali as blood money with which to maintain an illegal occupation and repression. they even buy US arms etc.......
then, after 50 years of waiting for a fair deal, deperation drives someone to do a "spectacular"..............you must accept that it is a deep feeling of hopelessness that makes people commit suicide attacks.....
anyway, denise, my point is that the other side has their reasons. they are not born hating americans....noone is. but if you spend your life watching america pay for the guns that kill and repress your family in order to placate the domestic jewish electorate ,you will likely react. and lastly, you points 1 and 2.......no i dont know they were all excecuted. i doubt any were "excecuted"...but they were not convicted of anything [therefore civilians - not combatants] and are now dead! how wouyld you react if it were to happen to a member of your family?????

Oh yeah, Nick Berg the money grubber:

The 26-year-old liked science and he liked to travel. When he was at college he went to Ghana and helped build houses out of mud, returning home considerably thinner and with his pockets empty because he gave away most of his money.

And his true motives?

He had supported the war and wanted to help rebuild Iraq, said his father, Michael, a retired schoolteacher, who was opposed to the invasion. "He's a helping guy," Mr Berg Snr told reporters: "He looked at it as bringing democracy to a country that didn't have it."

Richard, I hate to say it, but you're an idiot.

Wait, actually, saying that felt good. Everyone join me in a chorus of it!

Iraq is not spelled with a "k", you idiots

It is Iraq, NOT Irak. Dumb.

I have seen the video, and i must say that i feel very saddend by the whole thing. My heart goes out to Nick at his last moments and to his family. To think that there are people out there who can be so dam cold hearted is just soul destroying. I really feel a deep sorrow withing and pray for the souls like Dear Nick.

Nick Berg may your soul so full of courage be your guide, and may you rest in Peace.

I watched the video..and it is the worst thing I've ever seen, however I urge everyone to watch it. It shows just what kind of animals we are fighting against. And make no mistake about it...these are not human beings, they are filthy disgusting animals. To even consider them human is an insult to us all. Anyone who thinks that what happened in the prison is abuse NEEDS to see the video. Maybe then you'll understand the importance of getting information from these scumbags!
To all my fellow Americans who think we are the bad guys in this situation..What if Nick Berg was your son or brother. There are still several of our fellow Americans missing in Iraq. Americans who's only crime is trying to help the people of Iraq have the same freedoms that YOU enjoy. Remember when your bad mouthing our government, our military and what we as a people are trying to do..that right was given to YOU with the blood of someone else. Look in the mirror and ask yourself what have you done to pay back the people who gave their life for YOUR freedom. Spewing your garbage and hatred of our country may be your right, but that freedom isn't free. Try going to Iraq and running your mouth. Maybe then you'll finally understand.

Lets take their temp up to 1200 degrees in Iraq and just start over. Is the best plan yet!!
john

Speaking of the media ignoring the story, what the other americans, military and civillian, that have been taken hostage?

Why haven't we heard about them? I know they're out there.

After all, did you hear about it when Mr. Berg was kidnapped? If those thugs hadn't released the video, and just murdered him and dumped his body, would it even have registered a paragraph near the classifieds? Did you hear when Mr. Hamill was kidnapped? I think I recall a sentence or two when it happened, just before the latest Koby Briant News Orgasm Of The Day (tm).

It's sad when in order to learn about our enemies we have to rely on them videotaping themselves.

Lets be real. The guy was there on his own looking for work. He wasn't a patriot, he was an opportunist. He was told to leave several times but did not. You can lead a horse to water..... On the flip side the people who did this need to be found and executed. Revolutionaries my ass, criminals hiding behind masks. Looking at the news it has had an opposite effect from the one they were looking for. It has shoved the prisinor abuse scandle to the second page and pissed of alot of americans sitting on the fence where Iraq is concerned. Food for thought.

I think that this is bullshit and we should kill them all.

David wrote,

"if you spend your life watching america pay for the guns that kill and repress your family in order to placate the domestic jewish electorate"

"That's all you had to say!"

Look, if you want to think these people sawed that man's head off because they were upset at the plight of Palestinians, be my guest. It's easier, I guess, than accepting that they'd do the same thing to you, if they had the chance, no matter how enlightened your views. And then someone else would have to step into your shoes and understand why the poor souls were driven to do such a thing.

As for me, I know the enemy have their reasons. And I am not in the least interested in understanding them, except insofar as it helps us defeat them.

Let's just pull out and turn the whole fucking region into glass.

Richard,

Your supidity about the world is obvious. Using a K instead of a Q spelling Iraq shows you have no clue about the world around you. Therefore you have no right to speak about it. After you take the time to get some real facts, not just the headlines, then come back ad give an opinion.

David,

I think you might want to come and spend some time in the USA. If you think for a second that the majority in the people supported the IRA you are wrong. You say the Kennedy clan supported the IRA? Does it supprise you? I cannot claim them as the most moral family in the US.

What I think you should know is that when it comes to terrorism we have one stand. We will not tollerate it, nor will we support it.

I did not support the IRA. I do not support the Palastinians. I will not support Al-queda. I also do not support the few people that mistreated the Iraqi prisoners. But they were prisoners.

I believe that most people are good. I realize that some are bad. The difference is who you choose to follow and who you allow to lead your cause.

The Palastinians will never better themselves until they choose to follow a true leader not a terrorist. The Irealis have the right the defend, attack, and bomb those that want to kill them.

The Iraqis will never better themselves until they choose to accept the freedom we have given them. It is there responsibility to fight the terrorists that infect their country. We have the right to defend, attack, and bomb those who want to kill us or destroy the freedom we have put into place.

Is everyone missing the point here? If Al-queda and the few groups that want tyrannical power in Iraq were to stop fighting and work on peace we would leave. Iraq would be a free country and would be allowed to worship any god they choose. Is that so bad?

Look at US history. Yes, it's not ALL roses, but I am proud of it.
WWII
Gremany is a free productive counrty.
Japan is a free productive country.
Italy is a free productive country.
France and many other European countries have been given back their freedom after hostile occupation.
South Korea is a free productive country.
OKAY we blew it in Vietnam.
We saved the muslems in Yugoslavia.
We fought for the Muslems in Africa.
We freed the muslims in Afganistan and they are free.
Iraq is free.

How many countries have we liberated?Many. How many brutal dictators have we toppeled? Many. How many lives have we saved? hunderds of millions. How many countries have we taken over in the last one hundred years? Zero!

We do not want your country. We do not want your land. We do not want your oil. We will buy your oil if you will sell it, but we will not take it. Our mission is freedom and democracy.

Those who do not understand this have not read our constitution. Here is the preamble of the US constitution.

We the people of the United States, in order to for a more perfect Union, establish JUSTICE and insure domestic tranquility, provide for the COMMON defense, promote the GENERAL wellfare, and insure the BLESSINGS OF LIBERTY, to ourselves and out posterity. Do ordain and establish this constitution for the United States of America.

As the world grows smaller we have found that someone needs to promote this idea around the world to protect ourselves. Unfortunately, sometimes we have to beat some sence into people. We are not about conquering, we are about freedom for all. Yes we have made and still make mistakes, but this is a pure and true belief that is not about power for the US.

My cousin is fighting in Iraq and was in a Humvee that was hit by a RPG. He was lucky. I know what it's like to worry about family fighting, but I know why he is there. I thank God that he is. There is a price to pay for the freedom that we have and try to share with the rest of the world. If we don't pay that price who will? France?

I agree with what drew says. Nuke the whole goddam country. Screw the innocent. Oh...and Richard is Gay!

Iraq is not spelled with a "k", you idiots

It is Iraq, NOT Irak.

If I'm not mistaken, it is actually spelled "Irak" in French. Perhaps Richard's native tongue is French.

Oh my good!!!!

Richard is an idiot. David is too. Same with the people who think nukes would make things better. It's good to always keep the option on the table, but damn.

what the fuck did the US expect?
i think you blood thirsty (no i didnt watch a fellow human being have his head cut off) idiots are stating to get a taste of ur own medicine. yeah, making guns freely available is a great idea.

Can someone get me a copy. I have a lot of people who would like to see it including myself and my husband! PLEEEEEAAAASSSSEEE help me! Thanks!

Finally, we see an american die :D
Iraqis have been tortured too long..now its America's turn...LEAVE IRAQ ALONE!!

bloodthirsty,

I think you are a sick puppy. We will never leave Iraq alone until it is a free country. If you don't like that I am sure we will be glad to detain you at Gitmo. Unfortunately, we will be unable to supply you with a brutal dictator to run you and your silly pathetic cohorts. We also will not starve you. come to think of it you might actually like your improved living conditions.

If you think that seeing Berg die will deter the US from it's mission you are sorely mistaken

I think blookthirsty was making fun of g and richard. It's a parody. Actually, I think g and richard might be too.

Yes, nuke their asses. Then we'll have an eternal night-lite glowing in the desert. Nuke the land, make it radioactive, as well as the oil that would come out of the ground (if it didn't ignite it!). Stupid! Just think of the cost of gas then, not to mention global polution. Read a book called "On the Beach". I forget the arthor

I just watched the video...and it pisses me off even more! As far as i am concerned i think that EVERY one of those fuckers should die! Anyone who thinks we shouldn't nuke them supports them! We should have nuked those fuckers on 9-12-03 and we wouldn't have this fuckin problem! They are a bunch of stupid, dumb-shit, goddam, motherfuckers. I'm going to join the forces and go kill everyone of them i can!

FUCK IRAQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and I think that was richard, anyone check IPs.

u are saying people a sick puppy..then what do u think u are?You think you are god?U can simply go to other peoples place and just trying to imply your culture there?Even if Iraq, before the bloody americans comes, the situation is much better. No killings in the street, no rape, no killing innocent people.But when the outsiders comes..everythng has turn upside down. Who wouldn't be angry if they knew that their mother or sister is being raped?Their father is being captured just because of suspicion and then being abused..being humilated and being treated like shit by those bloody american soldiers?Just once put yourself in their shoes?Just imagine u see u own mother being raped or your sister being raped?Just for once think about it?I does not hate American..i just hate the american government and policy. I've been to america in year 1997 and i like being there. But to know that american is being run by a stupid and f**k president, i'll never go there ever.Even being given free ticket or money.One thing u have to think..what is the main cause of all of this?The main cause is that the muslim felt that there is a double standard in US policy. Everything started from the Palestinian and Israel conflict. Averyhthing started from why must Israel exist at the centre of the Arab world. Actually i totally opposed to the killings of the Jews done in the past. But..if the western really wants to help..why don;t they help by offering part of US land to be given to the Jews?US is a big country and is very rich.But it seems that everything has passed and it's time to start a new story. But it seems that the Israels has never satiesfied with the land that they had. They started taking others people land and homes.That is why the palestinians are angry and also the whole of the Arab world.Never make any stupid opinion without doing some researches and reading about the history.And to solve the problem, always tackle the main problem which is the Palestenian and Israel conflict.

This is a dirty war. What war isn't? After seeing the video Ithink they all should die, hell with them. we've been there too long. OUR TROOPS NEED TO COME HOME

wasn't quite done with my thinking, too many of our troops died over there. Get all our troops home and just nuke the place. be done with it. no one else dies but the rest of them..

Lefty trolls are out in force.

Well I was going to write a well thought out comment about this but after reading the majority of the above comments, that idea went straight out of the window.

This page is full of Nuke this, Kill that, standard, same old American crap.... but then what do you expect from the citizens of a country that was populated by the out-casts of every other civilised nation on Earth?

Yes the film is disturbing, inhumane and brutal but it's something that happens somewhere in the world every day. Just because it's an American citizen you are all kicking off about it. Let's think about this a little more shall we? America go into Vietnam in the 60s and do the SAME THING and worse to the Vietnamese population. Torture, mutilation, rape... you name it, your GIs did it. So WHY are you complaining when someone, somewhere does it back to one of yours? It's inevitable isn't it? Upset someone and there are always reprisals. America took it upon themselves to invade another country and are surprised when some of the population don’t welcome them with open arms…. As David said, how long would it take you guys if it were America that were invaded? Lets face it, you still can’t accept that a bunch of ill-equipped Canadians managed to burn your Capital to the ground :-)

The wonderful US of A is nothing but a nation of bullies who are dead set on war-mongering throughout the world just to make themselves feel better about getting their arses kicked (well and truly) in Vietnam. They seem to think the rest of the world support their actions and agree with their policies. They hold so-called ‘POWs’ at Camp X-Ray completely ILLEGALLY. And now the world is starting to turn against them…. And this is just the beginning guys, things will only get worse. After living in the shadow of the IRA for 30 years….. I can guarantee you things have only just begun. How can you ever win a war against a group that are prepared to truly die for their cause… and have millions of replacement members banging on the door to get in? You can’t!

Simple solution….. Later this year you are going to get a chance to get rid of the Mental Monkey you call your leader.. all he has done is lead you into a world of crap. For F**ks sake, VOTE for the other team. 9/11 is nothing compared with what else could and almost certainly will happen if you leave him in power. America was quick to get into Iraq to remove a dangerous leader when the rest of the world knew they should have been looking a little closer to home.

Now I’m sure that you’ll all get ‘Gung-Ho’ about this and I’m sure I’ll get extremely well thought out and educated comments like “Vietconged Charlie Is GAY” (Yeah, very informative ‘None of your Goddamed business’). I don’t care. I live happily, I don’t have to worry about any of this, and to be honest it makes no difference to me. Just to know I may have wound up one or two ‘Goddam Spams’ is enough for me. You’re nation deserve everything they get….. And they will ultimately get their arses kicked in Iraq, Afghanistan and anywhere else they see fit to interfere in….. And I can sit back, smile and enjoy the whole spectacle.

Oh, and no, I’m not really Vietnamese… sorry to disappoint ya! :-)

Let me go to Iraq. I'd gladly stand beside
our soldiers and take revenge on this group. I say we turn it up a notch and kick some serious butt. Destroy every muslim mosque and dare someone to stop us.

Well why don't you Brad?!?! Go on.... sign up and go over there..... another one bites the dust...........

the quick judgement and rash decision making of some people makes me happy to know that most important decisions are made by groups of people in this country. The LAST thing the world ever needs is for a nuke to be dropped. Let me ask you this. If the soviets had launched nukes at us, what would we have done. ever heard of mutually assured destruction? Granted, we have many more nukes than iraq, syria, egypt, or anywhere else, it wouldn't take more than 20 detonations anywhere in the world to send us all to hell. Nuclear winter, crop failures, poisoned air...those surviving the blast would eventually die from starvation. Seems easy to rain fire from the sky, but fear from a retaliation attack from a nuclear strike is the only thing that has made nukes NOT obsolete. No one is stupid enough to use them....congress included. As far as what is going on over there in iraq, i won't pretend to have all of the facts. I won't go into nick berg, daniel pearle, or anything that has happened already. What i want to talk about is what we should do in the future.
What is the one thing that scares the majority of the iraqi people more than random bomb blasts, rpg's, US interrogation/detention, or occupation? Saddam Hussein. He overlorded iraq for years, staying there only by killing those who opposed him. With the military at his back, he was feared and untouchable. Until the united states had enough. We ousted him from power in under two weeks, captured him later, and are attempting to rebuild his country that first welcomed us, and now generally abhors us. They will not cooperate in turning over insurgents, arms, and information. We are better than saddam, so we don't kill their families for their insubordination. The recent prison scandal being the exception, the US detention process is GENERALLY efficient, humane, and effective. This is where we put the ones with info that don't cooperate. Im not nieve to think that nothing illegal goes on in these centers. Im sure people are beaten and punished, but if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. If you are not ready to be in the hands of the enemy, don't pick up that AK. The point i've ventured away from here is this. Threaten to put saddam back in power with the full backing the the US government. We would let him rule on his own, but would be there to watch him. Tell all of the wealthy iraqi's who turned on saddam that if the insurgents aren't brought forward, we will reinstate saddam. I gauruntee ALL of their resources will be put to finding these murders. If not, saddam will find them and kill them for betraying him. And their families. The rich hold sway with everything in every land, no matter religion, race, culture. What the rich want, the rich get, especially in a despotism like iraq. These insurgents are typically loyal to saddam or al-qeada (SP), so if he was brought back, the majority of the people would be MUCH worse off than they are now with us there. They must have forgotten what it was like before us, so we need to remind them. Put saddam back and watch them come crawling back to us. It is THEIR country, the PEOPLE need to fight for it. Someone oppressice ruling me? Kill his men one by one. That is what the insurgents are doing to us, and that is what the iraqi people who are working for peace and freedom need to do. Stop waiting for the us to solve problems. Someone i know once told me the most respectable man is one who fights for what he believes in. The radicals are already doing that. We need good, respectable iraqi men over there confronting their own misbehaven country men. If the fighting stops, we go home. Doesn't that make everyone happy?

WOW...the saying "ignorance is bliss" must be true. The people of South Vietnam have their freedom and prosperity while north suffers in proverty under a dictator. Hmmmm.....gee I wonder where Vietconged Charlie would prefer to live?

The funny thing is that the iraqis in theprison are criminals and/or terrorists (not that they deserved to be treated that way), Berg was not even a soldier. The terrorists don't ahve enough honor to stand up to soldiers, but yet think they gloirfy themselves by using helpless civilians. Looking at this rationally as one post said it, then i would have to say that many americans have died at the hands of terrorists and now we are eveing the score. We have acted PC enough. Maybe it is time to adopt and Israelli approach to things. I am a Soldier and I support our Government but personally i think it time to take off the gloves and to show the rest of the world what we can actually do when you push us too far. These people have shown they have no honor in the way they fight, therefore they do not deserve respect or the honor of dying like soldiers.

America should never have invaded Iraq, what happened on September the 11th was truely terrible but Clinton with his gunho tactics were never going to provide a long term solution. My advice is leave Iraq alone ( although that might not be an option, we've gone too far? ), we shouldn't be there in the first place, my heart goes out to Nick Bergs family, no one deserves to have this happen to their child or family member, though. Belief of something better and more powerful than all of us, ( god!! ), has and always will create wars, hatred and mass killing, believe in each other not a mythical being and the World will instantly become a better place!

my outlook on the world and how the US fits in is this. When things go wrong and someone needs our help, we are there. once the trouble is over, the US stays to make sure and we are called "occupiers." I have a feeling that if the US were to change the way we lived, the world would be in a big mess. Imagine that we were not reliant on imported oil. The US consumes something like 65 percent of the oil in the world, the majority of it imported. Imagine if countries went completely under cause we just shut down our borders. No one in that isn't a citizen. Sure it is against what america stands for, but for a short period of time, the world as a whole woud see just how reliant on us THEY are. Force automobiles to be completly hybrid or electric by 2010 (rough, but it COULD be done), harness wind and solar more for energy, and the middle east would vanish. All they have is oil, and without us, they have NO economy. what do you think?
Kirk in 2024???

If u go to kazaa and type beheaded, u will find it there, its really grose, and i dont find it interesting at all. Its just to show u how bad it is, i was in skool today, and some people were with the arabs, and some against, i asked both parties and was told to watch the video, actual video, and then decide whos side i will take, and its obviously not the arabs bcause thats wrong, totally wrong, best wishes to the family.

Most of the Nuk'em all posts are probably from trolls trying to steer the conversation in a bad way. Don't think it represents readers.

I don't really know why, but I feel like I should see the video of Nick Berg in its entirety. I am a mother of twin sons, and I can't help but place one of my boys in that situation. It is horrific. My husband is a police officer and we are just your average family, much like his. If any one has a copy of the video, and it isn't too much trouble. Please send a copy. In advance thank you.

Bud, North and South Vietnam? Surely you mean Korea?

Kirk, the world is NOT reliant on the US.... yes, it may consume 65% of the worlds oil, but it also has a leader who refused to sign the Treaty to reduce the amount of CO2 emmited into the atmosphere...... Something slightly sick there I think??? To say the world is dependant on the US is totally wrong, the European Union is already proving that the US and it's precious economy is not needed.....

The question is not one of economy, but of morals, rights and wrongs. Yes, the beheading was wrong, yes the US/UK were wrong to go into Iraq on such flimsy evidence, yes Saddam rules Iraq the wrong way, I'm not questioning any of that. My issue is with the US using it's 'bully boy' tactics and attitude, when all they are is one country amongst the rest of us. That is WRONG.

As for Camp X-Ray, they are only criminals in the minds of the US. They have not stood any trial nor are likely to. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? What if someone came in the the US (the mighty land of the free) and took away your citizens without trial and imprisoned them thousands of miles from home? Would you stand for it?! I think not.

So you lock them away from the world and in Iraq you then go on to publically humiliate them on film. Those aren't soldiers who guard them, they are nothing more than worthless, spineless arseholes and all deserve a little humiliation themselves.

At least the world is beginning to wake up to the USA, it's hypocracy, continual contradictions and it's un-necessary over forceful military strong arm tactics. Shut your borders guys and stay well inside them and stop polluting this planet with your attitudes and opinions and illegal wars.

TANKSGT!!!!!!!!!!! My man!!! YOU ARE A FUCKING PRICK! Dying like soldiers? Your a disgrace to the uniform with shit like that.

Taking of the gloves and showing them what you can really do? You already have and shown the world what a cluster-fuck the americans have made of iraq, as they did in vietnam and korea. Im with vietcong charlie on this. USA are a bunch of gungho, namby pamby, winging, whining. cocksucking faggots. END OF

RICHARD MUST THINK HE IS GOD, I'M SURE HE NEVER MET NICK BERG, HOWEVER HE THINKS HE HAS THE RIGHT TO JUDGE HIM. HOW WOULD HE LIKE TO SPEND HIS LAST MOMENTS SITTING IN FRONT OF THOSE FUCKING PIECES OF SHIT MAGGOTS? I'M THINKING HE DOESN'T HAVE THE BALLS.

What these piles of dog droppings fear most is freedom and democracy. When the good people of Iraq are able to stand-up and defend themselves these cowards will do what they do best...RUN and HIDE. They are true infedels and have to prey on the weak and innocent because they could never stand up and fight the US military. They don't even have the courage to show the world who they are. They make the French look brave.

What these piles of dog droppings fear most is freedom and democracy. When the good people of Iraq are able to stand-up and defend themselves these cowards will do what they do best...RUN and HIDE. They are true infedels and have to prey on the weak and innocent because they could never stand up and fight the US military. They don't even have the courage to show the world who they are. They make the French look brave.

You see, this is the attitude I am talking about.... the "America has the right to do...". NO IT F**KING DOESN'T!!!!!

It has no more right to do what it has done in Iraq than the hijackers had to fly those two jets in the the WTC towers. It's REALLY simple, even you yanks must be able to understand..... eventually.

Your respect for your fellow human beings in Iraq is overwhelming guys. The brave American soldiers torturing the 'prisoners'.... how brave of them. You must be so proud to see your soldiers doing that. Is it any surprise that ONE american is torutred as a reprisal? I don't think so. You've posted comments about Muslim this and that.... it's not just the Muslims who are at war you know? Israel is just as much to blame (even more so) than the Palistinians.... the US backs them so much because of the guilt they feel after letting them down in WWII by not entering the war earlier.... So go slag off the French, your country is as cowardly as they have ever been.

He he, you americans got what you ordered.

Happy now?

Don't try to blame us other western white men who don't won't to be drawn in your mess. Just enjoy it yourselves!

You start fu*king with mad dogs - you end up bitten by mad dogs.

OK... I've had several emails from Americans slating me for my 'Anti-American' attitude. Let me set the record straight.

I am NOT anti-American. I generally think the majority of you are cool. You have a beautiful country and a lot to be proud of. But what you don't have is the right to impose your idea of a perfect world on the rest of us.

I know that what happened on 9/11 was a terrible thing not only for you but for the rest of us countries who also lost people in it, but it still doesn't give you a right to go around with strong arm military tactics. The UK learnt this lesson a long time ago with the Empire and in Ireland. Hitler learnt it in the 40's and even after Vietnam and Korea you still don't get it.

Simple as that!!!

Ohhhhhhh........ looks as though FREE-SPEECH is now banned too.... the board Admin is blocking my posts!!! So much for the Land of the Free.....

My old Mum used to say this:

"You made your bed, you lie in it"

The USA have now got a serious amount of lying to do!

i think is fucking messed up what happen to him poor guy i hope they catch those basterd who did this its a dam shame i can only think of what his parents are going through i swear to god this is something that must be dealt with right away and i blame the government and us because of us we wouldnt have gone to war so fuck bush and his bitch ass crew and fuck us all am done

I agree man, it's serously messed up. They need to be caught and executed for this crime. I think we need to withdraw from Iraq and get a neutral country to setup the handover and peacekeeping roles. We need to get the fuck out before more planes start dropping out of the sky.

I AM ASHAMED TO BE AMERICAN

VietConged Charlie
It is stupid people like you that think they can live in a bubble and have nothing happen to them. I will sit in my shit hole country and watch America get destroyed. You are jealous of a great country just like you are jealous of the good looking guy who stole your shit packing boyfriend. When we are done in Iraq we will move to your country and say hello with our nuclear bomb inscripted "Eat Shit Charlie." By the whatever coutry you live in is America's bitch. And there nothing better than having a fagat ass bitch like you.

This is all bullshit....we are naive and poor examples of human beings! We are already in over our heads....it is to late to turn back! We need to support our troops! WE CAN NOT allow all of the soldiers who have all ready died for this cause to have died in vain....it would be an insult to them and there families. When we fought the World Wars, we backed our troops to the fullest as we have done in all our previous wars...if our troops needed it the got it. Now we have all become ignorant...if we leave Irag things will get better....No way in HELL....It will worsen 100 times...and on top of that America will be the laughingstock of the world...because we can't even handle the smallest country in Iraq! Fuck the Naysayers...we have to do this, for Pat Tillman and Nick Berg and the many more that have already given their lives....It is time to stand up and BE PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN and SUPPORT OUR TROOP and OUR PRESIDENT and OUR GREAT NATION! Back our troops to try and bring peace to a country that has never known even the smallest feeling of freedom! So think to yourself, and think hard....President Bush is not to blame, Donald Rumsfeld is not to blame...these savages that would glady drive a car bomb into your childs school and any women and children with out thinking twice are too blame! So open your fucking eyes and get a clue, protecting our country isn't an option it is something we must do!

I think its funny how all the people talking badf about Bush and this poor guy that got beheaded, think they can speak English so well. Also if Richard IS from France that just shows how much of a pussy he really is. God Bless America and good AMERICAN citizens.

We're making such a big deal over this, when our soldiers have been doing nothing less terrible to the POWs in Iraq for some weeks.

Watch it if you can find it. I can't. It's dying out.

"I wait the day I'm allowed to go to Iraq with my sledgehammer and beat the faces in of every single one of those fucking american/jew-hating iraqis. May all those who preach and act against peace, die and rot in HELL."

OMFG!!! Do you not understand what our soldiers have been doing to them? Want a complete list? Here:

a. (S) Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees; jumping on their naked feet;
b. (S) Videotaping and photographing naked male and female detainees;

c. (S) Forcibly arranging detainees in various sexually explicit positions for photographing;

d. (S) Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and keeping them naked for several days at a time;

e. (S) Forcing naked male detainees to wear women's underwear;

f. (S) Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being photographed and videotaped;

g. (S) Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and then jumping on them;

h. (S) Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box, with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture;

i. (S) Writing "I am a Rapest" (sic) on the leg of a detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;

j. (S) Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked detainee's neck and having a female Soldier pose for a picture;

k. (S) A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee;

l. (S) Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely injuring a detainee;

m. (S) Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees.

a. (U) Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees;

b. (U) Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;

c. (U) Pouring cold water on naked detainees;

d. (U) Beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair;

e. (U) Threatening male detainees with rape;

f. (U) Allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell;

g. (U) Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick.

h. (U) Using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee.

Now, does a beheading look so bad compared to all that? What the fuck is the matter with you people??

This thread reads like the DU.

What should have we (americans) done after 9-11? Say "oh thats too bad, hope it doesnt happen again." Lets not forget that they brought this war to us, not the other way around. What would happen to the world if every country turned their backs on those people who are being persecuted by their ruling powers? Yeah it is alot easier to just say thats its not our problem. But the fact is that is all our problems. The human races problem. At least America has the balls to stand up to these kinds of injustices.

No, not phosphoric liquid. Anything but that.

Yo once again its me and i just cant stop thinking about the video i swear am gonna have some nightmares tonight FUCK MAN THOSE ASSHOLES, THEY HAVE NO FUCKING RESPECT FOR LIFE I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL! THOSE S.O.B.

AND FUCK BUSH FUCK U AND THE WHOLE FUCKING GOVERNMENT FUCK THEM ALL!

i don't know who these fucks think they are, but personally, we need to send the KLAN out there to fuckin iraq and put those pussy-ass murdering bitches in the pain they put nick berg in a thousand times over! nick had his whole life ahead of him and these assholes, who had absolutley NOTHING to do with him, took his future away from him. i'm in tears over a complete stranger. how can anyone lack such compassion? what is the human race coming to???

What happened to Nick Berg was the most disturbing thing that I have ever seen. If I could get my hands on those iraqy bastards, I would make them scream like a pig in pain.

The situation is frightening me more and more. We must get the the roots of the middle east "issue" for the sake of our children.

There is no moral high ground here. There is no "black and white" situation.

There HAS to be a peaceful settlement to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. The future of the entire world could depend on it.

Hatred in the middle east of USA/Israel is such that it is only a matter of time before nuclear weapons are brought into play by either an arab state or USA/Israel.

Once that happens, all bets are off for the world in general.

PS. My heartfelt sympathy to the family of Nick Berg. He did not deserve what happened to him. I can't bring myself to watch the video. Unfortuately, civialians are easy to exploit in this way as they do not have the massive personal protection enjoyed by those who make the political decisions which impact all our lives.

What would Jesus do? Would he have invaded Iraq and condoned mutilating thousands of his children? Blowing off body parts including their heads? Not just one beheading, but several thousand beheadings. In the name of the Lord? God Bless America. Iraq did not attack us on 911, people from Saudi Arabia did. Saudi Arabia tortures, beheads and cuts off peoples limbs on a daily basis, it's a common occurence. George Bush is not doing the work of the lord. He is the anti-Christ along with those other religious fanatics in the world. Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussien and the hundreds of other maniacs in the world must be removed, and George Bush is just another misguided religious zealot killing thouands in the name of Christian Mythology. Common sense, compassion and decency is our only salvation at this point. George Bush's War on terrorism will only breed more terrorrism. He is truly insane.

By the way, it should be clarified that the perpetrators of the terrible execution of Nick Berg were NOT Iraqi.

The perpetrators of 9/11 were NOT Iraqi either.

That should clue you into who is posting these comments.

i was horrified at what i saw on the video. i'm an ex military wife,and i think that they need to stay in Iraq,no matter what, and do what needs to be done. no one likes war, but sometimes, we need to do the right thing, and let these ugly bastards know, that we are not going to back down....they are wrong and so inhumane, it makes me sick...god bless our soldiers, and god bless the U.S.A......go get'em Bush....i'm with you all the way...

I agree with K.W. I KNOW WE SHOULDN'T BE VENGEFUL......BUT I AM....A TIT FOR A TAT... RIGHT? AND RICHARD....YOUR AN ASSHOLE....DO YOU NOT REALIZE THAT THE TERRRORISTS WERE TRAINED AND BACKED BY SADDAM HUSSEIN?

OR SHOULD I SAY THAT THAT WHOLE PORTION OF THE WORLD IS NOTHING BUT TERRORIST CAMPS... SO INDIRECTLY,,,,,YES..THEY WERE A PART OF 9-11...

Hey "Fuk_Republicans"..you're a pussy! I'm sure if we could ask Nick which one he wanted..his head or all the things you listed (A through, uh H...do you even know the alphabet?) he would've picked all that shit at the same time! I'd much rather be "frightened" by a dog then have my fucking head sawed off! When are you pussy liberals going to get over your battered-woman syndrome? It's always America's fault to you! I could imagine these terrorist chopping the head off your Mom, while you cry out, "Sorry Mr. Terrorist, I should have understood you better. Please forgive me!' You people are fucking pathetic! Go live in France with all the other pussies!

Linda,

There has never been any evidence (at all) that Iraq or Saddam Hussein (sadistic dictator though he was) ever consorted with the terrorist organisation which committed 9/11. This "myth" was encouraged by those in US power who could benefit from this convenient assumption.

James, you stupid fool. Drink some more cool-aid from the far left. Let me spell it out for you. As almost ALL liberals are quick to point out, Nick Berg was slaughtered not by Iraqis, but by Al Qaida (Al Zarqawi). Now given that, do your homework, honest (un-biased homework) and you will find that Zarqawi was in Iraq long before we invaded, supported by Ansar Islam (who was permitted to live in Iraq and funded by Hussein as a deterent to the Kurds). Simply math buddy, if A=B and B=C then A must = C. This is evidence.

Here is a very brief, un-biased summary of Zarqawi's life. He is a large component of Al Qaeda AND he sought and received sanctuary in IRAQ long before we invaded. Given the tight control Saddam had over Iraq, there is no doubt that the Saddam regime was harboring terrorist. NO DOUBT!!!!

http://www.worldhistory.com/zarqawi.htm

I guess Fuk_Repulblicans has no idea what they are talking about. Chem lights for one have luminescent material in them. I have had the material all over me. I also would think that some of the things of the things that have been done to the iraq prisoners would be a hell of a lot better than HAVING MY HEAD SAWED OFF! If I was in irag, I would be beating their heads in with a baseball bat to make them talk. YOU are the reason that the islamic militants hate us so much. You are probably the very same person who believes that gay couples should be married and that drugs should all be legalized and that anything you want to do personally should be all right. Personal expression and all... That is why they hate the us so much. I would like to let you know from personal experience that these people will lop your head off just as soon as they would lop off mine. They don't care that you are some pansy pacifist. You need to wake up because they will burn your body too you appeaser. Make sure to ask the terrorists not to fly a plane in to your apartment building next time. Remember the last 3000 DEAD!! WAKE UP and put down the weed!!!!

What happened to the days where you could go fight a war and not have a bunch of liberals standing in the highway with cardboard signs over it? Ever heard of the GENEVA CONVENTION? even if you WERE right, and we should not be in iraq, I dont know about you but i dont go to illegal immigrants (who should not be in this country) and saw their heads off with knives... the beheading of nick berg was cruel and broke many war crimes. James, you were whining how bush isnt doing the lords work, when the terrorists who murdered nick berg shouted "Allah Akbar" translates into "God is Great" is that your idea of gods work? plus, read up on the seperation of church and state in the US. bush is not obligated to run the country under god.

We're not there for 9/11 and anyone who thinks so is under 50 years. Think we were at the 'Bay of Pigs' to over throw Castro. How about the Diem Brothers? I can't remember the last time I've heard Bush, Rumsfield or any of the white house mob say the name "Osama Bin Laden". What ever happened to him. Has he simply vanished like Gary Condon and the Levi case?
Bush bit off more than he could ever chew and the taste of good ol' chaw is telling him one thing. Change his underwear and get ready for another Nagasaki as that's the only way out. Goldwater was right looking back ... (for you who don't know the name, go look it up) as Kennedy was as much of a war monger as Bush. Wallace was right. Put the democrats and republican party into a good-ol' Arkansas cotton pickin sack, shake 'em up, dump 'em out and put it right back in. There isn't a damn bit of difference between them. We're in trouble and will see the draft again before mid 2005. But what better thing to fight for than oil? Maybe a pair of red-ruby slippers?
I'd like to say blow 'em all to hell but we just don't have the balls for that.

I think we need to pull out our troops and drop a fucken nuke on those savage bastards and blow them back to the stone age....why are we screwing around with these pricks....they have no kind of mercy what so ever...if they want to see allah...then lets do it with "God Speed" and help them meet there maker faster then they expect to......they were savagely killing Americans even before the prison pictures and problems came out.....they need to cotton picken DIE, DIE, DIE....and who cares if we do it savagely..they dont seem to care why should we? we should show them that two can play that game...damn pricks....

Yea I got something to say.... I have a real problem with other Western Countries, in particular, France, Spain, and Germany etc., who claim to have clean hands in all of this. People from those counties who say, "I don't understand, why does the US not leave Iraq alone." To you I say, "crack a history book!" The fact is that we are all in this together, as we have been for the past 2000 years. It has always been Islam vs. the West. These crusades are nothing new. That being said, I think it is disgusting that the West has not united against this savagery to stomp it out for good, once and for all. Instead, the US taxpayer and soldier are saddled with defending the entire Western vision on free trade. I think Europe, and citizens of Socialist states should ask themselves why they are afforded the security and the opportunity to provide their citizens with things like lavish parks, free heath care, and 3 weeks paid vacation time a year. Why?? Because you have a pithy defense budget that pales in comparison to the US and you can afford these expensive programs and lofty socialist ideals. But the fact is your society relies upon free trade and OIL, and deep down you know that if anything should happen to your State, the US will arrive at your defense free of charge! Need I remind you Brits of the Suez canal, you French of Vietnam, and the entire continent of WWII! I'm a US taxpayer and I work hard to defend the ideals that allow you to live in such comforts! ... I have no healthcare and when my kids get sick it costs thousands of dollars. The United States is in Iraq, and the Middle East, to protect not only our own interests, but the interests of the entire western world. Yes, we may be there for oil or democracy but this is really about trade. Because without trade, we would be reduced to the savagary that you see in this video. Trade fosters social behavior and that is manifested in the civilized Western world, i.e., people coming together and living in peace. This video represents the all-too-common anti-social, violent, and nomadic behavior that is typical group of people who do not want peace. A people who have been thriving throughout the desert, performing raids, and occupying territory for thousands of years... A people who refuse, under any circumstances, negotiate towards a mutually beneficial social relationship. Clearly these people don’t want peace, after all, with an AK-47 strapped to my arm it would be a whole lot easier to put food on the table for my wife and kids

Mr Pussy,

Yes, you are definitely un-biased. That much is obvious during your fine prose !

Your Iraq link to Al-Quida is weak at best. I repeat, there is no evidence (at all) that Iraq ever "knowingly" consorted with Al-Quida. Your so-called link smacks of republican desperation.

You speak with such knowing, about things you know nothing (buddy) !

If you ever bothered to read the web site you quote, you will notice that the worldhistory site is funded by a commercial organisation (hardly unbiased).

There is a further link to the Observer newspaper ( a more credible source) which (if you actually read it through) states that Iraqi links to Al-Quida are "flimsy".

Go back to your knowledgebase (otherwise known as FOX News), for the latest right-wing propoganda !

Jeff,

If you check the comments again, I did NOT "whine" about "Bush doing the lords work". I think you will find someone else made those comments.

I'm with k.w. on this one. Send over the KKK along with the DAR and th MMA (minutemen of america). Perhaps some nam vets like myself (DMZ Artillary 67-69) along with 5,000 freezers, 100,000 washing machines and dryers, 500,000 full screen color televisions ... and an abundant supply of soap and toilet paper. They'll not only be sucking our dicks but kissing our asses, both sides. Talk about turning the other cheek. Rape? Nudity? Electro-shock? My-my. Sounds like something from a morning community newspaper about an event down the block. Remember Nam because I do, every fuckin day. This shit is nothing. How about cutting out the naval of a VC, tack it to a tree and pull his guts out as he invercerates himself with every step. I saw this at least 10 times. How about napalm? The way to change a country real fuckin fast is to do what Gen.Westmorland said. "Once you have them by the balls and then their hearts and minds will follow!!"

Propoganda... im sure the Nick berg video was CGI or something... take a long deep breath of reality, pal. Iraq has been around for thousands of years and they are still running around with camels and towels on their heads with cheap russian weapons killing eachother over religion, whereas the US is only about 230 years old and we are much more civilized... bottom line, The middle east is a stink hole and its only getting worse. I agree that our troops should NOT be in the middle east, only because i think we should forget about troops and just use some fucking nukes. we wouldnt trigger a nuclear winter (100 MGT required [on large cities i.e. moscow]) because there is not enough structures to put in the atmosphere. The next time i flip on the news all i want to see is a mushroom cloud.

We can thank the Carter/Clinton administrations for rendering our CIA virtually useless, There was a time when our CIA was the most effective intelligence gathering agency in the world. Unfortunately, our law makers are so disconnected from reality that they cannot see the trees through the forest.

One of our former presidents gave us some very good advice once," Walk softly and carry a big stick"

Cant arguw with Evin on this one, hes a NAM vet. im only 18 but im sure nothing compares to shit hes experienced, first hand.

Don't you get it, it was the CIA who staged this. Takes the pressure off of Rumsfeld who was getting beaten up about the testimony of the S&M freaks in IRAQ.

Hello.
This is my take on this.
The Iraqi fighters know they are up against a vastly superior enemy. They of course, cannot match our tanks, missiles etc. which easily kill and reduce people (both combatants and innocents) to ashes from an impersonal safe distance. Therefore they feel justified to do anything they can to try to inflict some wound or shock to us. Its common sense. If they are able, they would come here and behead some Americans. Believe it. We need to know this and be prepared for anything.

This said, I think that Americans in Iraq are gambling with their lives. Sadly, Nick Berg was a Jewish American businessman in the wrong place and as a result met a very tragic end. Arabs in general see American and Israeli Jews as a main source of thier problems and confrontations with the west. It would be similar to a northern black business man going to a white southern region to pursue business opportunities while in the midst of a violent civil war pitting ragtag forces against an occupying northern army. Not a good idea to say the very least.
No the answer is not to destroy these nations or the people who live there. We would destroy ourselves in the process. One day maybe someone would use the same argument to exterminate us. It was only 40 or 50 years ago that public lynching of innocent Black men was common in parts of this nation. Entire families would turn out to watch and enjoy these spectacles. These southern people did not even have the arguement of fighting a war or occupiers. Would this be grounds for dropping nuclear bombs and turning the these regions to glass? Come on.

What can we do? Yes, we need to continue to fight terrorism but this is not the answer for the long term. We cannot impose our ways and society on the people of the world. Instead, the president should help build a fair and just world government to settle disputes in a fair and honest way for all nations. This means supporting the UN.
we cannot and should not go it alone, nor can we blast the world to bits.

Iraq is a land of barbarians, ruled by a religion of uncivilized animals. We should take ALL their oil and leave them stuck in the sand in the 12th Century - that way, they won't be polluted with OUR money and they sure don't need it to run their camels.

Rumself should be given a medal just for the harassment. The prison guards should be punished properly and forgotten.

I think Jimmy Chooo is funny h is attacking the US Culture, but yet his email address is yahoo=Amercian based...Can wer say Hypocrite?

All this talk about using nukes from you people. This planet is doomed for sure. Hopefully our "leaders" have more common sense.

I pretty sure most of the nuke, kkk, vietnam shit isn't authentic. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

this is world is fucked! its hard to live in such a world when knowing that these sorts of people are alive and walking, how can one think like that with so much hatered to some1 eles. we all need to suss it the fuck out, and realize we are never going to be happy in this world untill we except everybody for who they are. STOP FIGHTING! we dont need people that are crul to others its fucking bulshit suss it the fuck out every1.

You never had the video loser you just want5ed hits on your site. Get a life fag and stop wasting peoples time looking for the REAL deal...

how can i see the video? i can't find it can someone help

Cut with the Nuke 'em and Kill 'em all stuff. It's stupid. Bush and Rumsfeld, fortunately, are made of sterner stuff and have more insight than a lot of the posters on this thread.

It amazes me, at this late date, to find so many people ignorant of the reasons for invading Iraq. There were many reasons, but the overriding one was to put down the terrorists. Islamist terrorism arises out of the dysfunctional nature of the Arab political culture, which also extends to Iran and Pakistan. In order to suppress the "root causes" of terrorism, not economic but political in nature, this dysfunctional political culture must be reformed into something consensual. Only then will the Power holder/Power challenger and money-favoring systems be replaced by something other than tyranny.

If anyone is interested in learning why this problem is due to the political culture's dysfunction I recommend reading David Pryce-Jones "The Closed Circle", and
"What Went Wrong" and "The Crisis of Islam" both by Bernard Lewis.

Iraq is the Arab country where the Arabists always thought would be the best chance of establishing a modern, consensual style government. This is because of the character of its people. This is what Bush and company are trying to do. The spread of consensual government under the impetus of Iraq's example is intended to lead to the elimination of those roots of terrorism I wrote of above.

What have you guys got against the Iraqis that you wanted them to spend another lifetime under the tyranny of Saddam and his psychotic spawn?

This is not the first time something like this has happened. It is just a shock, sorta like the WTC Bombing. This is the kind of people we are dealing with. They are desperate and are willing to die. I know they must be, because we are going to kill them! If they would have went for sympathy, this would have never happened. With those photos going around of the prisoner abuse, they would have gotten it. And just maybe, we would have pulled out this year. This place has no doubt, turned into a modern Vietnam. The funny thing is, alot of the same people that were running the country then are running it today. Does anyone ever learn from history. and please don't say the GW Bush, Jr is running the country, We all know that isn't true. This has Rumsfield all over it.

Where is the fucking video!!

I think The US should just leave the country and let them fight over their own land...no wonder why saddam kill so many of his own poeple there all cheeky bastards with no respect for life.

This si all Bush's Fault. You enter a country because you want to install democracy in a land where these people were ruled and only fit to be ruled by iron fist.

whatever Bush's opinion on saddam, Bush cannot establish Law and order in iraq the way saddam did for 23 years,with an iron fist. He just entered the country for his own selfish goals and see who is suffering now.

Dear dumbasses..... you know......... all you anti-American idiots! This is your personal invite from me to you to suck my ass! I'm tired of the complete disregard for actual intelect and knowledge of history. Why can't you people read a book or two before you start spouting off all of the tripe about how the U.S. is somehow in the wrong here.... go ahead.... ask me.... but before you do, be prepared to be completely wrong! Numb Nuts!

Bush, forget your human rights record about saddam. He did what he had to do for a country like iraq full of barbarians. He was too great man. Mr.Bush, you cant even achieve 5% of what saddam achieved about maintaining the rule of law. Get out of Iraq NOW.

JJ, India

Ya, let's just bomb everyone. They deserve it right? America is always perfect and knows best. Squeeky clean and always ready to do better good for humanity. Wipe off and pollish that good guy badge. We're the U S of A and we don't take no S!$T from no one. Open that trailer door mama, it's whoop-a$$ time. We didn't loose Vietnam, it was a tie!

Ya the video is disturbing. So is the Faces of Death videos. Death is disturbing because it's a built in survival reflex. It helps you remember to stay alive. It has nothing to do with a flag, a fag or green eggs and ham.

As for Berg, what kind of dumb-a$$ would stay in a war zone, uh-hmmm, TO HELP! Things don't get fixed when they are constantly being shot at and bombed. Big radio towers are easy prey for the enemy. Cutting communications, at all levels, is always a main target for any military force in conflict. He was there for money, he stayed for money and he died for money. Anyone with any sense, would have left long ago. Especially when a President lies about the end of major operations in Iraq, for a little photo opp. Oh ya, he probably loved the adrenoline rush from passing bullets that you just can't get from a 9 to 5'r in America, unless you live in an area with an MLK BLVD. and hang out outside at 11pm. that is.

This country is built on lies.
It's people are ruled by lies.
A good percentage of the general publics' savior, is a lie.
Our global foreign policy, yup, that's based on lies and deception.

Why do people believe these lies? Because there is not much else to believe in. And it's better to have something, than have to rely on yourself for everything and take some resposibility for your actions. It takes less physical movement to point a finger forward at someone else than at ones' self.

Wake up. Take resposibility for your country. Get rid of useless government jacka$$e$.

Do you sit in the saddle? Or are you just cattle?

Michael Lonie i think the probloem with your writing is you belive democracies can root out terrorism in the islamic world.
It does'n't happen that way because islam will always remain as a terrorist religon because it says you go to heaven if you kill an infidel(non muslim) . and losers and desperate people think they are doing a great sacrifice by doing these kinds of acts
You see Mr.Lonie, we have tried that kind of an approach for too long here in india. Th e only way is " A FIST FOR FIST"

Oh, by the way. Most of you write/type /compose like you are either using one hand for something else at the same time, or you are just a complete peice of hillbilly, white trash stuck in a decaying surburban lifestyle.

And this is coming from someone who is a terrible speller. So you know it's genuine draft. GEEH GEEH GGIT

suburban

James....Whats' your point exactly? Are you not aware that our country has a population of +/- 25% asian descent?

Bud.... I have to say VC2 has called you to the carpet. North Vietnam ...dictator? South Vietnam... free...liberated? You must be under 35, and from a rural area with nominal capacity and minimal education. You must mean Korea son.

Linda... I can appreciate you emotional attachment based on your spouse, but understand this clearly, the Pentagon, the cabinet members, and the executive branch, have already publicly acknowlegded that all information previously utilized to corroborate a connection between Al Quaida and Sadaam, has now been concluded to have been baseless, stemming from "bad" intelligence. Further, similar information supporting WMD's and/or the capabaility to build WMD's has been debunked and publicly acknowledged as well....by our government . Folks, these are points of fact. Indisputable. This is all public information that is free to you. Go to the DOD website, it's WWW.pentagon.gov, for validation. Learn your gov't, learn your juris prudence - system, know your policy. It's all free and there for you to read. Do this before you take a position.

I am an American, a former Marine...wounded in combat, decorated, honarably discharged, and a Texan.

For whatever reason, in the 200 years since our country's formal inception, Which I am proud of, we have some how come to believe that other people of other cultures, want what we want, need what we need , want what we have. Upon discovery that this is not always the case and that apparently ideologies can differ, we seem to right them off as 3rd world, or un-civilized to say the least. Don't get me wrong here, I doubt few if any enjoyed persecution under Sadaam, but by the same token, why are we so quick to think they want we have to offer afterwards. Iraq, being there, from day one was based on false assumptions, "bad" intelligence, and falty decisions....at minimum. Afghanistan.... different story...I say get after it. Seems to warrant and support our initial basis for going to war per 911. However, to date, since most if not all information that the war in Iraq was predicated on has been unsubstantiated or disproven, and was then spun into a cause for liberation. Being that still seems to be the latest reason as to why we are there then realize.... our job there should technically be done. We took Sadamm out, they are liberated...now go. Why does there seem to be such a sense of a need to do more. Ironically,to quote the Republican position during the 1990's from both the House and the Senate as the Clinton Administration moved to committ to our mission in Bosnia (which was a strong success..I might add) " we are not the world's police ", " We do not bear the burden of becoming the worlds liberators" quote:Newt Gingrich:

In todays geopolitical environment, you don't go to war w/o conclusive proof, w/o a consensus among the other particpating countries, w/o a solid, forward thinking plan, superior exectution, a superior exit strategy, and yes.... w/o the UN support up front. If you do, then when the going gets tuff, and you realize you do need support, you can't expect the world to understand.

We are lucky for the liberties and the quality of life we have here in the U.S. , but it seems that we have insulated ourselves in our own self absorbed lifestyle, and then sanctimoniously spawned a belief that the rest of the world outside our borders must be less than us.

This war has become one of ideology. Both sides believe that they are in the right, evenworse seems they believe it based on or by Virtue of "God's will". Fundamentally it's no better than two four year old's fighting because one hit the other harder, or one took what the other had, or one shouldn't be doing this or that. Immature, stunted.

I wish the war in Iraq was over something as simple as Oil. It's justifiable, we need it, they've got it. At least that makes sense. But to fight over issues that one side believes from the bottom of their heart that they are as in the right as much as the other is ....pointless. We should stay out of other countries, unless emphatically invited, or emplored for help. Capitalism works great for us, and many of our contemporaries in Europe, Asia, and the Med. Those are countries we can work with, trade with, market with. Hell, I Love money. Almost worship it. But the fact is, there is still a huge portion of the world that does not see it like me and presumably a large number of us here in the US. Capitalism is fundamental greed. And for those many, of which a large number of those belonging to faith's such as Islam, Hinduism...etc., it is sometheing that is considered spawned from hell.

Nick Berg... how can anyone not get emotional. Abhorrent, despicable...and yes we should track those responsible down and kill them.

But ouside of that, this is the most crucial time for us to hold the highest standard, and not just "punch back".

The reservist, Guardsmen, MP's, and CI that are being ajudicated for their actions at the prison, provided they are found guilty, should be away for life. Granted, not as heinous as Nick Berg's demise, but not far above it either. As Americans we have come to this country purporting a better way, and with that comes responsibility to hold a higher standard, anything less form this point forward will likely result in a continued faltering and loss of American, and innocent civilian life, both Iraqi and non Iraqi.

Nick Berg... Nick Berg...
The Iraqi people... had nothing to do with it. Nor do they want anything to do with us, or our electricity, or our running water...yada yada yada at this point. We should have left them alone, but we can't now... we've brought the terrorist on to us and we'll be there for a long, long, long time. .

FYI... Zarqawi is not a member of Al Qaida, but another Al Qaida like, but separate cell organization. It seems he and Bin Laden may be in some sort of competition with each other. Think of it like the Bloods and Crips here in the USA. They hate each other and will kill each other when able, but when it comes to fighting the law they bond together as one.

the 40 + detainees that were killed by americans and brittish were because they were rioting.....DAVID. read once in a while.

1. for 56 years the u.s/u.k have supported and funded the state of isreal.
2. for geographically challenged americans, isreal is smack-bang in the centre of the arab world.
3. palistinians, who had been there a thousand years were physically displaced from their homes to make room.
4. this was done to alleviate the allied feelings of guilt post the holocaust and to placate the radical zionist movement.
5. despite this injustice the majority of palestinians "semi-accepted" this by 1967.
6. then isreal invaded - to snatch more land and impose a buffer zone between them and the arabs.
7. the u.n has issued hundreds of resolutions calling on isreal to withdraw from its illegally obtained land, but because the u.s's backdoor support, no military action has ever been taken to enforce the resolutions.
8. as a consequence, thousands of palestinians have died resisting what is under all law, international or otherwise, an illegal occupation. as illegal as the turks invading cyprus, the russians invading afghanistan, argentina invading the falklands and saddam invading kuwait.
9. but nothing was done about it.
10. so, millions of palestinians have grown up in concentration camps wondering why their situation is any different from the others, and what they have to do to make the world see their plight and help.
11. after 56 years nothing has changed.
12. so, after 56 years of suffering, is it not suprise that palestinians hate both the isrealis, and also the nation that supports their very existence - to the tune of 6bio dollars and tons of hi-tech arms every year?
13. now consider bin-laden, the architect of the 9/11 and dozens of other attacks around the world.
14. bin-laden is SAUDI [not iraqi]
15. all the terrorists involved in 9/11 were SAUDI [not iraqi]
16. BIN-LADEN AND SADDAM HUSSEIN HATED EACH OTHER. THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO CONTACT BETWEEN BIN-LADEN AND THE IRAQI REGIME - A FACT ACKNOWLEDGED BY BOTH THE US, AND UK GOVERNMENTS.
17. the us, in response to the 9/11 attack invade afghanistan, who are publicly harbouring bin-laden.
18. this is an understandable and legitimate reaction, and a direct act against terrorism.
19. bin-laden, to probably garner further support, continually refers to the isreali/palestinian conflict in his rhetoric - when its more likely he is driven by personal animosity towards the u.s.
20. millions of palestinians now, understandably begin to see bin-laden as a "hero". after all, it must seem he is the fist person to show any "sympathy".
21. the u.s, on a totally flawed pretext of WMD, invade iraq [bin-ladens enemy].
22. iraq has never been linked to any terrorist attack around the world.
23. hundreds of thousands die, and no WMD are found.
24. the story from the us administration suddenly changes - now saddam has been attacked to relieve the suffering of the poor iraqi people.
25. the u.s administration fully funded saddam during the iraq/iran war.
26. now every american official refers to the war on terror, whenver refering to the iraq conflict - EVEN THOUGH BIN-LADEN, AND HIS COHORTS WERE SAUDI, AND DESPISED BY SADDAM.
27. YOUR "PRESIDENT" IS MAKING YOU ALL LOOK FOOLS.

to the rest of the world it appears as if the american people are literally too ignorant of the facts. you are being told things by your elected officials that are not true. you purport to be fighting the "war on terror" by attacking a country that had NOTHING to do with the attack on your country.
your president vowed to "get the man who attacked my dad", and has been recently exposed as having desperatly tried to create a link between the 9/11 attack and saddam to suit his own revengeful ends.
if the u.s was truly dedicated to the fight against terror, it would have got involved in fighting the IRA [instead of tacitly funding it through NORAID], fighting the red-brigade, badher meinhoff, eta, the molluccans....just to name a few. terrorism didnt suddenly appear on 9/11, the same way that WW11 didnt start the day pearly harbour was attacked. are you suprised that the rest of the world view your actions as self-serving?
americans in general just dont seem to understand that just because someone has a different opinion or way of life doesnt make them wrong. just different. you as a nation seem to be convinced that your way of life of the ONLY way of life. your conceit is infuriating to most people in the wider world. but, of course, most of you newspapers and tv simply dont report anything that occurs outside your own borders................tragic. Does anyone in the u.s reflect on the fact that guantanamo bay, which is holding hundreds of people without being allowed legal representation, could have been built by saddam in his hey-day??? so much for retaining the moral high-ground.......

there is no point resorting to tit-for-tat measures......simply wake up to what you as a nation have been [maybe accidentally] doing for the last half-century.

rms....

these people were being held without any legal representaion, and for months at a time. i dont doubt that some, maybe most were "undesirables", but the point is they are guilty of nthg until convicted. im pretty sure you might feel entitled to a lawyer if you were lifted of your streets this afternoon??? why are they any different. if i was detained for months away from my family without explanation or any outside contact in some desease riden hell hole, being subjected to threats/real rape i might just riot too. would you just sit there.
ps. i read.

Just like to ask why all the guys on here who are dying to get over to Iraq and 'Smash the faces in' dont just go to the local draft office and sign themselves up?

It's not hard lads.... I know you have difficulty reading, writing and even beginning to understand the magnitude of what's happening over there, but you seem to know what the best solution is. So please, for all of our sakes, go and join up and get over there..... or ARE YOU ALL TOO CHICKEN? You post crap on here about what you want to do to them, but you don't have the balls or the conviction to carry it through. You'd rather stay at home with your Mammas and spout crap about what you'd 'like' to do given the chance.... WELL I AM GIVING YOU THE CHANCE..... do it, prove to us all you aren't the inbread, blinkerd, rejects we think you are.

Go over there and toruture innocent civilians just because of their religeon, the colour of their skin or just because they are Iraqui. After seeing what your soldiers have been up to in the prison, you must be so proud of their cowardly behaviour! True American heros?? CRAP... they are spineless retards.

So go on boys, prove me wrong, sign up and do us all a favour hey?!

robn

i congratulate you on your reasoned, balanced intelligent argument. if only there were more like you who could see the futility of simply "punching back" without thinking.

After reading David T's informative posting I must say I have to agree.

The US support of Israel is almost unconditional. As someone raised in an earlier posting, is this because of the guilt that you feel for leaving it so late to join WW2? The US have indirectly caused the death and suffering of many thousand, if not hundreds of thousands of innocent people because of this ridiculous unconditional support for a nation that is so dead-set on getting their own back for the Hollocaust, they have lost the plot. The thing is they dont care who they bully, as long as they look 'hard' as far as the rest of the world are concerned. So the Palistinians suffer. They lived there for thousands of years before the state of Israel was ever concieved. The land is theirs..... But then I forget, I am posting to a bunch of Americans. The same people who removed the Naitive American people from their lands and put them in reservations.... so telling you something like that probably won't register in your minds.

Unfortunately this world is screwed up big time at the moment. The Arab fundamentalists are exactly that, fundalmentalists. Same as your very own Tim McVeigh & Lee Harvey Oswald. American citizens who believed in what they were doing. The same as you guys now believe in what you are doing. It's not just Arab nations... it's every country, creed, religion that have these people in their societys. The American ideal of a perfect world 'US Style' is wrong. We should all be allowed to live, how we want, in peace safe in the knowledge that the USA aren't gonna mess things up and cause more problems than they solve. Face it, Iraq has seriously back-fired on your country. It's clear that Mr Bush has lied to you all, and the world. You have been mis-lead and it appears brainwashed.

Everyt time the USA march into a county to install Democracy, they fail.... Lets look at history, Cuba, Korea, Vietnam.... you failed shamefully in all of these. WHY would you succeed now? Th more your nation carry on these 'operations' the closer they move towards being the same right-wing state that Nazi Germany was. Afterall Hitler thought he should take over countries to make them a better place for the world.

It's also interesting reading back through these posting s that the majority of the well though, well argued postings are Anti-War, occupation etc. The ones of people who are pro are nothing more than childish scribblings & insults. It's always a sign in any argument when things degrade to that level... If you can't post constructive comments then don't bother because you just look very stupid and backward.

JAmes.... what are you talking about with Jimmy Choo having a .com on his email..... there are plenty of addresses that are .com that ARE NOT AMERICAN..... wake up man.. You are NOT the only nation on this planet. DOH!

Hell forget G.Bay. Our own government uses the local police to silence anyone making a peep of disent. Local Bibal thumpers grouped with neocons.( heavy on the con) will get anybody thrown in jail they see fit. And use the Patriot Act to defend it. Forget the rest of the world. Orwell called today. He says he wants his book back. So he can read in prison.

I love America and I'm proud to be an American...but I can't say the same for our government. It would be nice someday to know your government actually gives a sh%$ for once and not just about themselves! It's quite amazing how blind many Americans can be to what's really going on. There is a second side to every story...so you morons that think the U.S. is perfectly innocent and have never done anything wrong, need to smoke more crack!! You idiots actually believe what the media is feeding you all the time and you haven't got a clue what the truth is. Come on people wake up! I am not a damn tree-hugger. I believe in war...if its necessary!! Why the hell did we go from Afghanistan and Bin Laden to Iraq and Saddam that damn quick? Anyone with a brain can figure that out. Lets pretend like we give two shitz about the Iraqi people, establish a goverment for them, give them food and clothes, and STEAL THEIR OIL!!!! Are you people really stupid enough to think that all these American soldiers should be over there? The reason 9/11 happened is because we the people, or should I say "our government" because our vote doesn't matter anymore, don't know how to stay the hell out of other people's business. We are constantly trying to help other countries, but what about our own!! What is our nations debt up to??? and now we are adding to it by going to war. What a joke... and all you people that wrap yourselves in the flag and think our government is innocent of all charges need to wake the hell up!! Do you people know that we trained all those bastards on how to defend themselves. Yes, for all you that don't know...heres a history lesson. We trained the Taliban in Texas!!! Read your history books people and remember "Every Great Empire Falls!!! I love America, but not the government officials, or ignorant Americans. The U.S. needs to sweep it's own damn doorstep for once...And one more thing...Bush is a Moron!!

Actually, america is more like Rome than Nazi Germany.

The Romans set out to conquer the world because they thaught their way was best and that they were the most evolved society.

They would wipe out a country's army with more evolved weapons and mass army strength. Leave a few of the rival army to use later on after defeat to control the new land under Rome rule.

The people would be promissed a better life, education and the lite of life. In return all they have to do is obey Rome and pay the taxes.

This happened again and again and again in the name of the Great Of Rome, and to bring on the civilized world.

To bring peace, amusingly enough.

The people of Rome did not need the government, the government needed the people. To feed off of with taxes. To bleed and disorintate with entertainment( news of war, sporting events)

Then what happened? Rome was defeated from within. Not by a foreign land.

bloodthirsty,
you disgust me. do you really think beheading an innocent american will right the wrongs that a few of our people did in Iraq? If you think yes, you are dead wrong. You just stirred up a hornets nest, goddamn you

Why don't you americans send in John Rambo to find those murderers? Oh wait a minute.. this isn't Holywood.. it's real! Real people die from both sides, and to your surpise it hurts!
When will you realize that opression leads to violence no matter how "civilised" (eg. bombing) you approach it. Yes Berg might have been innocent, but so were all the children that died from the faceless bombings. I don't aprove ANY of the killings, whoever may have done it. But seeing the horrible video does NOT justify even more killings from the part of America. As for nuking them or "turning the whole area into glass" is the typical hollywood american responce to everything that doesn't go exactly your way. Why dont you try nuking the russians or the chinese instead? Or do yoy think that nuclear readiation in that area would be something appreciated by the two above? Go ahead and nuke them... rest assured you would feel the same heat over your own shoulder not long after.

In relply to Union jack No More's intellectual piece about us being ignorant of American history. Lets just recap.

WW2: Joined late, fucked things up!
Korea: Arses Kicked
Cuba: Bay of pigs? Arses kicked
Vietnam: Got arses well and truly kicked.
Iraq 2004: Getting arses kicked.

Can you see the emerging link?

Dmb arses? No.... just very aware of how wrong things are as a result of the Mighty USAs meadling (AGAIN!)

Now go and play nicely with the other children and stop flodding this conversation with your ignorant, uneducated and unfounded drivel!

This page says it all........

http://www.defraudingamerica.com/widespread_coverups.html

Its funny how all you haters of America want to rewrite history to fit your twisted views. If it weren't for the people of America ALL of Europe would be under communist control and you'd all be standing in line for bread right now. We liberated all of you..we gave you the freedom to spew your hatred towards us. America may not always be right in what we do... we have made mistakes...thats true.. but what are the rest of you doing to help make the world a better place to live? Its easy to point fingers and spew garbage, but when things get tough you run and hide. But thats ok....When your country gets attacked by terrorism..and sooner or later you will... we all know who your going to call for help...AGAIN.

Bud, we've lived with terrorism for a lot longer than the Americans.

America didn't leberate anyone. it's not a case of rewriting history.... America ONLY joined WW2 because the japanese bombed Peal Harbour. Up till then they weren't interested, so don't preach that crap man. The thing is no one asks the Americans for help.... they just presume everyone wants it and needs it... WHY?! Because they (and you have just proved the theory with your posting) presume that you are the world's babysitter. If America didn't exist, the world would cease to function. It's bollox man! Just remember there is only one other country with less history than you and that Australia. They dont seem to have the need to interfere in world politics in order to make themselves feel more secure as a nation, do they?!

The world has operated for thousands of years before America was founded, we DONT need you do please don't live under the presumption that we do!

i have not seen the tape-but i can imagine that it was sickening-i mean the guy got his head cut off-
i think america needs to stop getting themselves into personal matters-it's benn 4 years and we still are at war-what does that tell you-we need to stop signing checks that our PRESIDENT can't cash.

Thats true!!!!

The world would be a far better place without that sort of 'help'

If the US hadn't interefered in the Middle East in the first place, supporting Saddam, Iyatollah in Iran, supplying arms to them, providing support to help make them a better nation... there wouldn't be as much crap coming out of there as there is.

Well done USA...

Your right.... many countries have lived with terrorism ALOT longer than America.. BUT America seems to be the only country with enough balls to stand-up and fight it. I apologize to the UK and the other countries that are helping. They are standing right there with us... even though it might not be popular with the liberals of the world.. they know as we do...its the right thing to do.

bud,
NOT ENOUGH BALLS TO STAND UP AND FIGHT?? where have you been for the last 30 yrs? what do you think the govt of the world have been doing against the ira, pira, eta, black september, the basques, farc, shining path, the puk and ano...just to name a few of the dozens out there. its a measure of just how blinkered and uninformed you are to make a comment like that. it shows just how little you realise has been going on in the world. as ive said before 9/11 didnt invent terrorism....it just took a group to take a swing at america before america had the good grace to get involved. churchill asked the u.s for 2 years to do the right thing and get involved against hitler, but again it took a personal attack to make you do the "right thing". how noble you lot are. you have the audacity to acuse the rest of the world of not pulling their weight, when its been the u.s that has stood by in the past. now you claim to be the knights in shining armour riding to the rescue. you should be ashamed bud.

David T is right. Bud you are just displaying this 'untouchable' attitude you and some of your countrymen seem so proud to display. Do you not see how foolish that attitude appears to the rest of us?

The Americans seem to have a strange idea of what's right and wrong. If anyone disagrees then they are wrong as far as you are concerned. How can a nation be so 'up-themselves' as to push that attitude on the rest of the world? You are not the great nation you believe you are. Sorry, but it's the truth.

Ashamed? Uninformed?
I don't think so... lol

But I'll agree with the rest of your statement. So you claim we did try to stay out of things in the past and you are whining about that..we get involved and you whine about that.. you can't have it both ways... so which is it?

It's not a case of staying out, it's a case of not interfering in situations that don't warrant it. There was NO NEED to invade Iraq, no Weapons of Mass Destruction, nothing! It was purely a US flexing their muscles against a nation they knew they could beat. Bully Boy tactics. You tried it in Vietnam but totally underestimated the situation you waded into. And now the same thing seems to be happening in the Middle East. When will Bush realise this? how many American and British soldiers deaths will it take before he realises it's just another Vietnam?

noone disputes the fact that without us help europe, at least would have been lost to hitler....the help was necessary [for all concerned] and obviously appreciated.
what we have seen recently, in my opinion, and specifically since 9/11 is a remarkably black and white, naive u.s. perpective of how to relove the "terrorist" problem. much of europes reticence with regard to getting involved in a direct 100% military confrontation with a "terrorist" organisation is borne from long hard experience. they know you cannot win by force agst an ideology - especially one whos mantra includes martyrdom.
the british govt knows this only too well, and its trully ironic that blair, the leader who negotiated an end to the irish problem, should embark on the iraqi fiasco. howvever, it seems he is driven by a desire to remain an allie, than by reflection on the past.
as much as it rankled with americans at the time, many members of the un knew this oh-so simple fact, but in the post 9/11 patriotic fervour few, if any could articulte the caution note.
i dont know of anyone who, despite this, blamed the u.s for intervening in afghanistan in pursuit of bin- laden. BUT, iraq is a totally different matter. as i mentioned before, there is no link between any terrorism and iraq, and the various pretexts invoked by your "president" for invasion have all been found wanting, and left to smell of good-old revenge.
most eurpoeans look on with barely concealed amazement at the naive sledgehammer approach being taken, and are siomply not suprised by the inevitable fallout. most of us watch your troops and sadly shake ouyr heads at what we know will happen. these poor kids have been sent to fight terrorists, where no terrorist ever existed, and when the agrieved have the audacity to fight back you become outraged!! all the weapons inspectors said there were no WMD, but you invaded anyway. when no WMD were found it became an extension to the war on terrorism.....but there were never any terrorists in iraq -saddam hates bin-laden.
but, after losing the moral high ground which was soooooo crucial for you to retain, i now g'tee the terrorist population of the world is both multiplying and flocking there in droves.
you are a well meaning people in general, but live in an incredibly insular closed society with little reportage of the oputside world and it shows.

Well I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree but I do respect your "opinions", and as an American I HAVE and would fight to defend your right to have that opinion.
Its just a shame that people like you are so close minded. You want to label us as bullies and evil thats fine. And maybe on some level your right. I disagree with some of the things we have done. But the good we have done far out weighs the bad. Maybe thats why so many people come to America for a better life. A life they can't have in your countries.

I too have seen the footage of this video, and i say it is probably the most vile thing i have ever seen since R.Bud Dwyer killed himself on T.V. Things like this do not disturb me physically but mentally i seem distressed towards life, i know this is a passing phase but .... seeing something like this makes me think, This Could,ve been any of us ?. I just thank god it aint me !! R.I.P Nick Berg