--Do you really want to be a party of the West Coast and bits of the northeast?--

They will never give up their ivory towers. And if Bush gets 35-40-odd states, they still won't get it. Because after all, it IS about them, the enlightened few.

November ??, 2004 will be a very interesting morning.

Oh, and if W does win by a decent enough margin to be legit, just sit back w/popcorn and watch the not only the US, but Old Europe spaz.(sp)

At the risk of being repetitive, the Clinton/DNC controlled Democrat party (I guess you can throw the Kennedy branch in there too now) doesn't want any of the candidates to win in the primaries. It was planned that way so there'd be an opening for Hillary to be drafted at the convention if Bush looked beatable, or if McCain could be flattered into running as a third party.

They didn't see Dean coming and if wins enough primary votes for a first ballot win, he gets the nomination.

They can't let that happen, so all of a sudden we're hearing about doing away with some of the primaries (I guess that's preferable to doing away with Dean). Too expensive. Our local liberal rag, the Daytona News-Journal, even had one of their local yahoos tell us that the Florida primary system is unfair because it was rigged by the Republican legislature to favor Republican candidates. The local lefties don't make any more sense than the national ones do.

Does anyone remember that the primary system we have in place was invented so Jack Kennedy could by-pass party leaders and smoke-filled room caucuses and go directly to the rank and file Democrat voters, so he could come to the convention in 1960 with enough muscle to force his candidacy.

Huntley and Brinkley were salivating and the breathless fawning over Kennedy's machinations were disgusting. It was the first time a national convention was televised and they didn't have it down pat yet, so they actually showed what was going on rather than what they wanted you to see. It was a blood bath. BTW - That's the day I became a Republican.

Now the Clinton/DNC leadership wants the primary system dismantled or at least shaken up a bit because it may not turn out the way they planned. Wasn't it one of the head honchos in the EU who said that you should never have an election if you can't be sure your candidate will win.

Not surprisingly their willing accomplices in the media are already getting with the program. You really have to hand it to the left, they have more tricks up their sleeve than Felix, the Cat.

Dead right there erp, look for the Dems to try and delegitimize the primary process this election cycle. They've already started, with their candidates picking and choosing which primaries they will participate in. In fact, they started in 2002 with Lautenberg replacing Toricelli at the last minute in NJ.

It's sad to see but the Dems are now moving past marginalization into becoming a threat to democracy. All their actions (NJ 2002, Florida 2000) are trying to replace primaries and voters with party bosses and court decisions. Fortunately, us voters know better, and are casting out the Democrats in droves.

Good question Steve, I've posted a response here.

All too many of the intellectual godfathers within the Dem Party, I think, believe that the Party is too good for the likes of us; a position that is echoed by many in Hollywood, it seems:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/990758.asp?0dm=C16QN

TO: Stephen Green
RE: Change Is Good

The Democratic party, of which I was a member up until the mid-70s and I saw them going weird, needs to change from the hatefilled megalomaniac organization it is today. No doubt about it.

However, power corrupts and it is no longer a matter of what is good for the nation for them. It is a matter of ego. The cult of personality stokes their locomotion. They look in their respective mirrors and ask, 'Who is the fairest of them all.' And the mirror, fearing the slings and rocks of outraged ego, tells them they are looking at it. They focus on the mirrors, i.e., each other, and will not accept outside input, because the outside input, i.e., the other mirrors in society, won't tell them that they are beautiful people.

From there, we get into the 'sour grapes' business about how stupid the rest of those mirrors, i.e., US, are.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

P.S. Ignorance is when you don't know something. Stupidity is ignorance with price.

Re: "I have an honest question for Clinton and Kennedy fans: Why wouldn't you want Dean to shake up the Democratic party?"

The fans are not the ones to ask. I'm sure Clinton and Kennedy fans would love to have Dean shake things up. The fans, however, will not call the shots, the Clintons and the Kennedys will and they don't want any shaking because the name of the game is "Power".

"Already, the South is lost, the Rocky Mountain west and rural midwest are, too, and you're decreasingly competitive ..."

Waste of breath, they won't hear you. At this point in history, Dems are among the most self-deceived folks on the planet.

They can't see past their all-consuming hatred for Bush, and their pathological need to be accepted and loved by the Europeans. If Bush wins in '04 (and I can't see what catastrophe could stop it), they are going to go through a lot of gnashing of teeth, but again, no soul-searching.

Mm. I'm trying to decide if it'll be more fun to stay up and watch the election returns, or get up early to read the editorials on what went wrong.

I could get so much more done if I didn't have to sleep. :-)

oh no no no- you HAVE to watch the returns. That's your only hope of seeing a spontaneous reaction.