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Posted by Stephen Green  ·  15 October 2003

If the Cubs or the Red Sox win the World Series, or even manage to win their respective pennants, it would be the worst possible thing to happen to baseball fans in Chicago or Boston.

Look. When your team is a perennial loser, you can always tell yourself, "Next year is gonna be our year. I just know it." That's what fans do; that's how they stay fans.

But what happens when, for the first time since Big Giant Rock Beach had to be renamed Pebble Peach (thanks, erosion!) their loser team actually wins?

Why, you take away all their hope.

Oh, sure, the winners and their supporters can bask in the fleeting glory of taking home the NL or AL pennant, or, if the Weather Channel's latest freak forecast for Hell is correct, win the Whole Enchilada. But come Spring Training next February, all they'll be left with is one sad realization: "We made it last year. Oh, dear God, now not even my grandkids will see them win it again."

Take it from me, a guy who considers himself a bit of a Colorado Rockies fan – I'm sure as hell glad they did so poorly this year, because now I can hope that next year they'll get it right. Just wait'll you see the trades they're gonna make in the off-season.

So, please, if you're sympathetic to Chicago or Boston, then cheer your heart out for the New York Yankees and Florida Marlins.

UPDATE: Enrak, a Sox fan, writes, "Screw the grandkids."

Comments

Speaking as a Red Sox fan, I would gladly sacrifice our chance to once again cry 'wait 'til next year' for a World Series victory.

Posted by: Andrew at October 15, 2003 05:23 AM

I have seen this argument before, some even going so far as to say that Red Sox fans would be secretly disappointed if the Sox won a World Series. It could Not be farther from the truth. As a Red Sox fan living in Boston (not CO like some fans), I can tell you this place is dying for a championship. There is no unconscious psychological need for identity wrapped up in the Red Sox losing. Just absolute and total desperation. That's it.

Screw the grandkids.

Posted by: Enrak at October 15, 2003 06:42 AM

as a fan of this blog, i feel that steve owes me, and so i can say without reservation: worst vodkapost ever.

Posted by: Chris Arabia at October 15, 2003 07:08 AM

"So, please, if you're sympathetic to Chicago or Boston, then cheer your heart out for the New York Yankees and Florida Marlins."

With all due respect, no.

Posted by: Dan at October 15, 2003 07:54 AM

As a friend to many Green Bay Packer fans, I will note that they had a lot more fun back before they won their more recent Super Bowls. Once your team wins the Big One, expectations go sky high, and all the fun gets sucked out of the game.

Posted by: R. C. Dean at October 15, 2003 08:21 AM

Green Bay went to Superbowls I, II, XXXI and XXXII.

LXI and LXII are a long, long way away...

Posted by: Ryan Olson at October 15, 2003 08:48 AM

This is ludicrous. No offense, but this whole "The Sox fans secretly want to lose"/Curse of the Bambino theme has been grating on me. The Sox fans would give anything to win the World Series. They'd do nothing but rejoice.

I just moved to Colorado from Boston, and I have been a Sox fan my entire life. I quote my college roommate: "I would trade every Celtics championship from the '80s for one Red Sox World Series." That's a bold, bold statement, but one which I wholeheartedly agree with.

Posted by: Evil Genius for a Better Tomorrow at October 15, 2003 08:49 AM

As someone from the hometown of the Aints, I can tell you that VP is right on this one. Once you start winning, the fans expect you to keep doing so. You should hear the pure vitrol that die-hard Aints fans have for the team now. Winning big pretty much vaporizes the whole "loveable loosers" vibe.

Posted by: Cybrludite at October 15, 2003 09:52 AM

Are you kidding me??? If for no other reason, Cubs fans want to win just to show up (White) Sox fans. The worst thing for a Cubs fans is to get there and lose, because Sox (White) fans will bash you with it all year.

The easy response to them is "At least my team made it..", but that sounds petty and certainly doesn't ease the pain. Especially when Sox (again, White) fans derive joy, not out of thier team's success, but out the Cubs failure.

I don't want my son growing up a frustrated Cubs fan. I want him to grow up watching Cub's in the World Series 3-4 times a decade rather than 1-2 times in a lifetime.

Posted by: John Bigenwald at October 15, 2003 09:56 AM

I'd rather have a sister in a whorehouse than a brother who's a Cub fan.

Posted by: Rick Rock at October 15, 2003 10:09 AM

This is daft, especially where the Red Sox are concerned. It's like David Brooks said, the Yankees-Sox rivalry is all about the rage and contempt, and a Sox victory over the Yankees followed by a championship . . . it'd be like the recall for the CA GOP: total vindication, total humiliation and defeat of the hated opposition after years in the wilderness.

Posted by: Crank at October 15, 2003 10:17 AM

"If the Cubs or the Red Sox win the World Series, or even manage to win their respective pennants, it would be the worst possible thing to happen to baseball fans in Chicago or Boston."

No one has ever been more wrong about anything that you are about Sox fans. We want to win, now and always. We do not believe in a curse. We do not accept our fate as lovable losers. We always have hope, and have it dashed for decades. We want to win.

Posted by: Grant at October 15, 2003 02:22 PM

What Grant said.

Posted by: Brett at October 15, 2003 02:37 PM

What Grant said, but for a Cub fan. All the fan's that say winning it ruins hopes havn't lamented the droubt of winning, of sharing hopes and dreams with numerous family members, loved ones, and friends. To know that those people can watch a game thousands of miles away and experience joy and elation at the same time is what a great thing.

Please don't keep up the facade of loveable loosers and cursed teams because it's cute and it sells: we all Hate it. I'd give one campionship for another 50 years of loosing (or 25 considering I think we have quite a down payment...)

Posted by: Jeff at October 15, 2003 03:40 PM

What a asinine post! where does one go with this, it's so orwellian. Quite the dud Mr. Green.

Posted by: ilonzen at October 15, 2003 04:24 PM

AAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Sandy P. at October 15, 2003 09:42 PM

I hope the Yankees or the Red Sox beat the snot out of the Marlins. Just like the Tigers did in '84 with San Diego for beating the Cubs!

Posted by: Macker at October 16, 2003 03:42 AM

Evil,
No way would I trade a single one of the Celts many championships for even ONE Sox World Series. The Celts of old were true champions, not losers like the Sox org and whining overpaid prima-donna players. Nor would I trade the Patriots World Championship for the same reason. Sox fans love wallowing in misery. Their Loserville "Yankees Suck" chant epitomizes their losing mentality.

Posted by: philw at October 16, 2003 11:49 AM



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