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Posted by Stephen Green  ·   5 September 2002

Since Eric Alterman won't do his research, I will.

Glenn Reynolds says I’m wrong to admire Sweden — though he seems to give Denmark a pass — owing to their crime rate which is allegedly worse than ours and their poverty rate which is worse than Mississippi’s.

I find the first part hard to believe and the second part, for now, impossible. Some sound evidence on this question please. This sounds like a job for Maxspeak, who is already on probation linkwise, or else an intern at Tapped.

2000 is the most recent year for which statistics are available. From the CIA World Factbook, we learn that Sweden's purchasing power parity stood at about $22,200 per person. That same year, Alabama's was estimated at $29,676, by the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

That took me ten minutes, including typing time. I'll let him figure out the crime statistic comparison for himself. (Here's a hint -- the link is in the InstaPundit post linked to the InstaPundit post that Alterman linked to. Aw, hell, I'll just go and give you the link to the damn study, myself.

UPDATE: Oops! I cut'n'pasted the wrong number from the BEA. $23,471 is much more like it -- and still richer than Sweden.

ANOTHER UPDATE: Alabama was the state in question for crime, Mississippi for income. Time to cut back on the coffee, or switch to halfcaff. Anyway, here's the number for Mississippi in 1999, the most recent number I could find: $20,688. Close but no cigar.

However, Alterman changed from per capita income to poverty rate -- admittedly lower in socialist-leaning Sweden. But if we go that route, let's also figure that everything from DVDs to houses are both cheaper and more widely available in Mississippi. Sweden has a statistical advantage both in price and quality of fresh herring, but that's of obviously limited appeal.

Also, Mississippi residents are far more likely to have a job.

Comments

Umm, the average American PCPI was $29,676; Alabama's was only $23,471. Still more than Sweden's, though.

Posted by: Moe at September 5, 2002 02:24 PM

Of course, median income isn't the same thing as poverty rate; Sweden likely has a much tighter distribution, and so might possibly have fewer people below some poverty line.

With a 30% differential I find that hard to believe, although...

One also needs to factor in taxes and state-supplied services (eg, Healthcare). I'm not at all sure which that would favor, but 30% is 30%.

Posted by: mike earl at September 5, 2002 02:26 PM

Sorry to follow up so fast, but according to http://www.bea.gov/bea/regional/bearfacts/stbf/bf1/b128000.htm , Mississippi's PCPI was $20,900, which wasn't lower than Sweden's for the same period.

No doubt Alterman will claim a victory for that; of course, if I were Swedish I wouldn't exactly be happy that my per cap was 71% of Alabama's, anyway...

Posted by: Moe at September 5, 2002 02:29 PM

I'd note that Alterman is the one who switched from Per capita income to poverty rates.

Posted by: George at September 5, 2002 02:46 PM

Thank God. I was afraid I was below average even for Alabama, which would just have been too depressing. Anyway, things are cheap here.

Posted by: Mac Thomason at September 5, 2002 02:47 PM

One also needs to factor in taxes and state-supplied services (eg, Healthcare).

Our taxes are almost certainly lower by any measurement, although I don't have a link. Advantage: U.S.

Lots of our healthcare is paid for either by taxes or by employers - no real diff as long as it doesn't come out of your pocket. For poor people, the government foots the tab (partially), and forces the providers to eat the shortfall, so I would say that, from a quantitative standpoint, this is probably either a wash or advantage: U.S. (especially if you count the value of services delivered, which would be higher n the U.S.) From a qualitative standpoint, no question ours is better. Plus, we don't have lines due to gove't rationing of access.

Posted by: T. Hartin at September 6, 2002 04:55 AM

I *live* in Mississippi, and it's barely above third-world conditions in vast areas of the state. It's truly frightening to imagine that the Swedes aren't much better off.

(And while they may have advantages in pickled herring, we have a huge advantage in price and quality of pork skins and barbecue. Haute cuisine it's not, but I've had ribs (at Leatha's, for those who know it) that would make you murder your entire family twice over just to taste them again.)

Posted by: Devilbunny at September 6, 2002 12:30 PM

The CIA Factbook figure is per capita Gross Domestic Product. Hence, it embraces all of the income that is available to Swedes for all purposes and should not be adjusted for taxes or socialized medicine. The purchasing power parity calculation is supposed to take into account differences in cost of living.

I'm not sure that per capita GDP is comparable to per capita personal income (the numbers cited for Mississippi and Alabama). The latter is presumably lower than the former, which makes Sweden look even worse.

Posted by: Tom Veal at September 6, 2002 12:36 PM

You know, Moe, you could have leapt to my defense when I was surrounded and defending this thesis by myself over on Pyramid.

Posted by: J. Michael Neal at September 6, 2002 12:49 PM

A good way to compare purchasing parity is to compare ownership of basic appliances. Sweden as a whole owns fewer appliances than America's poor. Full statistics available on my blog.

Posted by: Floyd McWilliams at September 6, 2002 01:24 PM

'Sweden's purchasing power parity'

Average purchasing power parity; median tells a much different story. This also doesn't include hours worked per worker; we work 20% more hours than Swedes, on average.

Posted by: Jason McCullough at September 6, 2002 03:45 PM

Is it me, or am I the only one to notice that $20,688 is actually LESS than $22,200?

There are certain other, less easy to quantify factors to consider as well; for instance, not being able to afford a car is less of a problem when there's a decent (nationwide) public transportation system. Sweden has one, I doubt Mississippi does.

Posted by: Euromutt at October 10, 2002 07:21 PM



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